Episode Title: The Late For Changeover Show 14 Aug 2024
Date: Aug 14, 2024
I I stopped to help someone change a flat tire, which is excuse number seven for being late for changeover, your weekly space news and variety show. I’m your host Marty Smith, I’m joined by Mr. History, Eric Peratt. I’m the guy with the flat tire.
Our man in the closet, Jake Wall, I like that one, that was a good one. And our little mule, Juan Lopez. I was the guy who watched Marty change a flat tire so I can make sure every step is taken.
We’re here to bring you the latest headlights and updates prior to our pertinent new old guardian. All guardians of the other lower branches as well. So take a seat, get involved and have a laugh as we present late for changeover.
Sorry, I didn’t know you were going to keep going, that was good. The first three minutes and we’re already cussing. That’s a tame thing.
I just randomly threw in their number seven. I don’t know, I think I threw a random number. Number one’s got to be, I overslept, right? That’s got to be number one.
Or I did hear one that they were like, I think their wife changed the clocks. There was something to that effect. They thought it was daylight savings time and set it back or something like that.
I was like, that was pretty good, that’s pretty creative. You guys ever find out when I called in and I was like, hey, I can’t get to work. They’re like, why is like, my car is on bricks.
They’re like, what? I was like, my car. This is when I lived on the Greenview Apartments in Aurora. So I’m totally viable.
Yeah, that’s totally believable. I won’t come there. I’m like, oh, shit.
My car is on bricks. They sold the rims, they sold the sound system. Chico White was my supervisor.
Yeah, Chico White was my supervisor. He comes in and then he’s like, oh, shit, you weren’t joking. I was like, no, I can’t make up my car on bricks.
I can’t lie. Really? Oh, that’s awesome. They did it at the apartment complex.
It was on the overhang. In the apartment. Wow.
And those guys look like pit crews. You know, pit crews, they can swap a tire and pull it off. If they look purposeful, you probably wouldn’t even ask them about it.
Unless they got like three tires done and you happen to see the other side. Oh, they might be stealing those, actually. We want all four, not just three.
Nobody changes all four at once. Maybe that’s the… But then again, they may not want to say anything because they’re like, yeah, just leave them be. At least it’s not my car.
Yeah, that’s probably it. They might be happy with their fill of Juan’s tires. It’s like that.
I meant to frog me or he’s drinking teas. That’s just none of my business. Good to see you guys.
I was going to ask you because you asked Eric when his next trip was. So I stumbled upon, I don’t know why I stumbled upon it, but the Armed Forces Vacation Club. Have you seen that? I’ve never seen it.
I’ve heard of them. I signed up for an account and I started looking through and they got, just on a quick look, they have like all inclusive resorts for like 300 a day. I was like, whoa, is this real or are these like the Drake? So I don’t know.
I didn’t know. I thought maybe you guys would know. Does that apply to retirees? Yes, I think it does.
I think it does. So I don’t know. It may not.
Who knows? I thought it said retirees too. I know there’s one guy, my old supervisor, who’s, do you ever get those guys who are space a guys still as retirees? I’ve never tried space. I haven’t either.
I haven’t either. But you know, you run that risk. They’re just like, hey, we’re full up.
You got to have time for two weeks. Yeah, you got to have time. But I got a guy.
I know a guy who swears by it. You just got to find the routes. You just got to find it.
I was like, well, I gotcha. But you also got to have a lot of time on the front end and back end of when you want to travel, right? And probably a little money and shit go south. Yeah, you have to have no itinerary.
You got to have some backup plan too. It will get to Germany. It might be in two days.
It might be in eight. Yeah. And we might have to stop in.
We might have to stop in Kyrgyzstan before we get up to Germany. So yeah, that’s okay. They’re notorious for crew rest, especially at nice locations.
And a lot of little parts break in nice locations. Yes. Nothing breaks in North Dakota.
No. But it definitely breaks. Hawaii.
If it does break in North Dakota, it’s legit. It’s broke. That’s the third trip to Hawaii where you’re taking eight days.
They’re like, really? And they’re probably saying to themselves, we don’t even need to tell them the part. Just tell them it’s down for main roads. That’s all you got to do.
So yeah. Yeah. I mean, when we used to fly over to the big island to shoot and we would have to wait because that plane was broke.
You know, that’s a day. I think we waited two days and that was maddening, right? Because you’re like, we’re done. We’re ready to go.
Let’s go back. Oh, we can’t fly back. Imagine the Boeing guys.
Oh, those guys. The more I see it on the news, I’m like, are you kidding me? You know, he’s like, hey. They admitted that they’re stranded now.
It’s just terrible. Are they saying that now? Are they saying that? Yeah, they did. I thought I sent you that article.
I’m sorry. Man. An article that they admitted they’re stranded because they can’t use that pod and there’s no thing.
Yeah. They’re just too scared. How many of those, as soon as they detach it, it might break more.
That’s what I mean. It’s that’s the risk. I mean, do you do it to save your pride and say our spacecraft is still solid, but you may lose two astronauts or do you just bite the bullet and go, we’ll just ride back with SpaceX, I guess.
Yeah, that’s what’s going on. Either way, you are the Russian looking horrible. You killed two people.
You’re done. You’re done. But I think it’s funny because that gives modal or article I thought was very speculative.
You know, it’s because a modal. Yeah. I don’t know what they write about.
And when they were saying, hey, they may have to stay up there for the length of the next crew dragon mission, which is six months. I was like, yeah, that’s that’s fun to talk about, but I don’t think that’s real. Now they’re saying, yeah, they might, they might actually just send two SpaceX astronauts, but they’re still going to do their six month experiments and all that stuff.
So they’re there until next year. I mean, what do you tell you? He’s like his wife’s nagging him on the way to the ad. We got to pay the landscapers.
Like, don’t worry. I’ll be back in a week. Imagine when it gets back, right? And then it’s okay.
You know, like he says down three, four days at home and it’s like, hey, I’m gonna go out with the boys. You just hung out with your best friend for six fucking months. What were you doing up there for six months? Yep.
Oh, you just got back in a week to be so bad, man. So bad, bad, bad, bad for like on a mildly serious note. They deteriorate while they’re up there, though.
Yeah. Muscle mass drops bad. Right.
Right. So being up there a year is not going to be or six months and you know, they got to do something with Starliner because they got to free up that port just so they can. Yeah, they have to place that back in.
Yeah. They got to do something with it. I mean, what are they about? Hmm.
Boeing laid an egg, man. It’s so bad. They just put a cable on it and detach it and let it kind of dangle off the ISS.
That’s program it to go down and hope it does. Yeah. How do you let them continue to do this work? You know, when do you go? You’re done.
I mean, that pretty much seals the deal. I mean, they need multiple carriers, obviously. I mean, same thing could happen to SpaceX, I suppose.
But having multiple carriers is good, but not when you’re getting a ride back from the one functional carrier. But when they were building this pod, I wonder if they were taking the same shortcuts that they were taking building their planes, which would explain a lot, right? Until they had the whistle blower. Maybe.
Yeah. I mean, the two whistle blowers who who Epstein themselves, apparently. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. That’s that’s mighty.
That was weird. Suspicious. So it’s not good to be associated with Boeing right now.
Do you think the government would let them ever fail fail, like go bankrupt? Oh, that’s a good point. It should. Yeah.
It should. And right. Right.
We had fine. I know. Institutions prove that they were horrible at their job fighting to fail, though.
Too big. And they got they made millions. Oh, yeah.
They were saved. Sure. But they should.
Well, I hope you guys had a good week. Oh, very good. I got absolutely worked.
Oh. Worked. Yes.
Today and today. Just so you know. Is that what’s work for you? Worked at ICR.
My company. I worked. Any class days.
I worked in classified space. Two days. Wow.
Yeah. Yeah. That’s a rough week.
It was tough. That’s what he tells us. So we don’t ask him questions because he works in the classified space.
I thought he looked paler. I mean, those two days had a big effect. Well, they had a big argument of the workers that were there and they’re like, I already put in for PTO.
He’s like, yeah, but I got tickets, man. I need to go, too. And the manager is like, let’s call.
Let’s call old whitey. He’ll come in. it’s my new call site.
I love it. That’s awesome. Old whitey.
Well, good on you. Ten ninety nine employee. Yes.
Everybody made a little cash. Did a little Seaweed training. Did you really? I had to.
I was I was not compliant. So I had to give you that shit, too. Well, I guess I should announce that this is the last regularly scheduled show with our little mule.
So he’s going to be barber one. How long is that school? It’s 15 months. Fifteen months.
Monday through Friday. Five to nine. In the evenings.
Five days a week, four hours a day for fifteen months to be a barber. Your hands are going to be free. If I was full time, it’ll be ten months.
What in the world? Oh, because you’re class. Oh, you mean full time student. Yeah.
Oh, I was full time student healthy from eight in the morning to five o’clock. Yeah. I’m doing five to nine.
Are you learning how to like to manscape men and shit, too? Everything, man. If you want designs down there, I will do it for you. Submitted proposal.
I was not expecting that response. For the people listening, for the people listening, here’s my pitch. I’m using my entitlement.
I still have my GI Bill. So because I’m going to school for over 18 hours, I get the full BH. So for those 15 months, I don’t get the full BH dependent pay of for Denver, which is like twenty seven sixty a month.
How do you feel about that? I mean, you’ve obviously thought about that, but that’s your that’s every evening, every week for the next year and a half. That’s why I’m saying compensated for it. I’m OK.
No, I know. But still, I mean, you look at that. You’re working.
You’re still working up in Boulder. Oh, yeah. But it’s all right.
And I’ve already I’ve already talked to my bosses and leadership. So they’re supportive. They say, hey, just I mean, obviously, there’s going to be days where I’ll be late.
So I just have to coordinate with the instructor. It is hybrid. So I have to go to downtown Denver, Tuesdays and Wednesdays.
But you have a Monday. Point is you’re having a full time job and then you’re going to this class. Hey, I did it.
I did it before. I did my Bachelors and my Masters. I’m full time jobs.
I was working on my Bachelors. I know. But when I was working on my Bachelors, I was doing the Escort.
I was doing the Security Escort stuff, working on my my schooling and being on cruise. So are you going to leave that job to be a full time barber somewhere when you’re done? That would be the plan here. That’s like once my son is out of high school, it’s slowly just leaving the deal.
So you’re not planning to get rich from barber school. You’re just planning to do something you enjoy. Make a little extra cash as you get older.
Okay. All right. I want to I want to see Eric go in and with all his skills, you come out with a landing strip and he’s like, oh, shit.
I’m sorry. I got confused. No, I’ll keep this mess, man.
Just build arrows all the weekend. There we go. Just one big arrow pointing down to your body.
Oh, it’s like, look at this. Look at old Whitey now. Yeah, you’re killing me.
Come on. For all your old Whitey needs. Contact only fans.
Old Whitey. If you do have all these only fans, that would be awesome. He’s the old Whitey.
It’s funny how many podcasts joke about that, but I think we were the first ones doing it. Anyway, speaking of other podcasts, I got a call Sunday from from the Ashes radio. Seth Rodenbaugh was unavailable and they’re like, hey, do you want to come on a host co-host? And I was like, yeah, sure.
Shit. So I went over there last night and did their live show for an hour. It’s fun.
Right. Different. You know, I tried to bring a little of our flair over there.
They didn’t like it. Did it? Shut up, Marty. You’re talking too much.
Well, you know, I haven’t heard from them today, so they may have. They’re like, hey, we don’t do that much bullshit. So but anyway, I got a little clip from it.
I see a little clip from it. Absolutely. So now let’s talk about late for change.
that started off a service headline news with one of the guys I interviewed. And he’s like, let’s do some more. So we just we’re just running through military headlines.
And then it changed. We met up with ice from Army WTF moments. And he’s like, hey, can you do a space? We love you WTF moments.
That’s right. He’s broadcasting right now. Yes, he is.
Yes. He rebroadcast this show on WTF moments radio. So nice.
Nice. So we got I got with him. I had lunch with him.
He’s like, can you do a space show? So we said, sure as shit can. Yes. So late for changeover is what that’s from.
Shenanigans in one shot were on there and we had an epic Army Air Force to quiz show. But we we take the most popular headlines with some headlines you haven’t heard. We we do some quiz shows.
We we do an auction. We every six months or so we’ll go. What sold at military action? Go ahead and guess the lot, Bryce.
We do some movie ratings. We do some Facebook stuff. We just have fun.
Late for changeover is a stupid fun show. If you have not had a chance to listen to that shit, folks, it’s a really, really Nathan Hawker. Glad you’re here.
So thanks for joining in. Stephen Valencourt is watching. Stephen, I’m looking forward to your feedback on how we look and how we sound now.
So I’m glad you’re here tonight. So that’s one of the. You just send me that text.
You’ll love it. So what are the dangers? I mean, they do a live show and they have you know, they have a few people who who signed on to do that. And I think that’s one of the dangers because you can see the people commenting.
There’s only a few people, but it’s distracting, you know, when people come. Yeah, so it takes him away from what he’s doing. He sees kinda.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I know he doesn’t mean to, but you know, you’re trying to acknowledge people who are who are watching and stuff like that, so. That’s too good.
Look, I’m breaking my rule. I’m looking at the text. Don’t look at it.
Give him satisfaction. Oh, it’s hilarious. Come on.
It’s a classic one. Did you not send it to one? Oh, I’m sorry. Oh, dick moving.
Speaking of. That’s all it was. Yeah, that’s all it was.
It was all. I mean, all I knew. That’s my meat damage.
Jesus. That’s good. I like it.
Took me a second. But I like it. Zoom in.
That’s all. I know why. Now you’re excluding me out of the chat.
What? That is my bad. I’m going to forward you. All right.
For those who are wondering what we’re laughing at is something that’s maybe inappropriate even for this show. But at least for any of you, not that any of the women folk in our life watch this show, but I couldn’t put that part on LinkedIn. it’s an x-ray that’s shows three legs.
Well, it’s actually the French. That’s right. Anyway, it was fun going down the from the ashes radio.
They broadcast Monday at six on Facebook. They’re part of about face media. So they’re a five oh one three C. But Rob was kind of enough to bring me on.
We have a good time. You know, we talked to any brain at the end of the show. He brings a lady named Ali on and she’s a VSO out on the East Coast somewhere.
So she’s a veteran service officer. And so she goes into she gives a lot of great advice for people trying to make claims. People who haven’t filed claims and she kind of yells at them is kind of funny.
She’s pretty she’s pretty entertaining. But last night’s guest was a girl named Jenna, who is she builds herself as a millennial veteran when she’s written kind of a transition book for younger service people who are getting out kind of what to expect and stuff like that. So it’s good for but they have a lot of people.
Most of their guests are people who have businesses in the veteran community. I don’t know why they reached out to us because we don’t make any money as you guys know. So they must have been really tough.
I told them I felt like up them from saving Private Ryan. I was like, hey, our real guy got killed. So we need you.
And I was like, okay. All right. I’ll come on.
I’ll come on this journey. That’s cool. But I got something to show you from Facebook, the page called Fancy Fancy Bear.
I showed it on their show last night. It’s so good. It’s so thought provoking that I figured I’d share it down here.
So I’m just going to put it up. It’s a post. So Fancy Fancy Bear has a lot of pictures and funny shit that’s, you know, people send in from the military, much like WTF Army moments.
But they also have like a where people write in and they’re like, hey, I need some advice on this. So this was the post that somebody wrote in. I hope you can read it.
And I don’t really know how to zoom in on this. So hopefully you can read it. Oh my goodness.
This is not going to be good radio, though. You don’t want to read it. Well, for those for those on Spotify and Apple, a guy wrote in said one of my soldiers was wearing a chastity cage during our company’s random urinalysis on Thursday.
And one of the piss watchers saw it and has informed me of it. I don’t know why he told me about it because frankly, it’s not my business, but he was saying that is breaking AR 670-1. And when I read through it, I didn’t really see anything about it or even alluding to it in any way, shape or form.
So he’s concerned that the guy wearing a chastity cage gave it for your analysis. Now, Rob was an observer. Where’s teapot when you need them, right? Because he was all proud of being an observer.
Oh, I’ve observed it before. Well, Rob was saying you see all kinds of things. You see piercings, you see weird stuff like that.
I mean, it’s bit of a chastity cage. I was like, I had no idea. I really had no idea.
So I’m glad I never got that additional duty. I’m glad I did ComSec instead of you know, pecker checker. So anyway, I thought it was funny enough.
Apparently, apparently, did you ever see your life? Could you watch random other dudes and get paid for it? And well, yeah, the other day, honey is random dude’s piss. Yeah, yeah, the initial the jar. The warm jar.
You know, interestingly enough, I went in for a doctor’s appointment the other day and they needed, you know, they needed your sample. Actually, I think it was a couple months ago for my job. And I remember the times when they’re like, hey, you got to wash your hands for so many minutes and you got to start the stream, then stop the stream, then piss in the cup.
And then, you know, because the beginning of the strip, they don’t have any of that anymore. They’re just like, yeah, just go. Really? I was like, yeah, we don’t worry about any of that stuff.
Marty’s like, are you sure? Like, you don’t know. I just stayed down there. I didn’t.
You really don’t want to watch. You really don’t want to see me. My Kegel exercises are on.
Well, I had a little difficulty because when I, when I put the cup in the little metal shelf, it was hard to hit it. So it was not easy to fill from that angle. no, because you’re, you’re coming up this angle.
Yeah, I had to lob it because I had to lob it in there. So, you have the short leg on that day. But I have, I have an artillery background, so I thought it would help, but it didn’t.
Fire for effect. Come on. All right.
I’m glad I salvaged that joke. So, all right, let’s get to the news, shall we? Let’s, enough of this banter. So, basically, it’s, it seems like they’ve always kind of dealt with space about really being taboo about not talking about weapons or militarization of space.
Well, that’s done and gone now with this article from Air and Space Forces magazine. General Whiting, right? You know him one, General Whiting? He’s my brother’s. That’s why they call me old Whiting.
General Young Whiting, calls for space fires and a rare hint about offensive weapons. US Space Command needs, quote, space fires. Its commander said this week, the latest indication that the Pentagon is growing more comfortable talking about offensive weapons in space.
General Whiting, or General Stephen and Whiting, speaking on the August 6, at the Army Space and Missile Defense Symposium in Huntsville, Alabama said, we need space fires to enable us to establish space superiority. The term fires refers to available weapons and other systems to create a specific lethal or non-lethal effect on a target as per joint doctrine. In space, that means weapons that could either destroy, deny, disrupt, deceive, or degrade adversary satellites.
Whiting listed space fires as the top of his integrated priorities list, which SpaceCom submitted to the Pentagon to help frame requirements for the fiscal 2027 budget. The list summarizes the operational needs of his combatant command. Integrated space fires was also in the command’s fiscal 2026 list, but it was quietly disclosed in public, so they were trying to keep it on the wraps.
Now they’re just like effing, right? It’s gone. We got to do it. Retired Air Force Colonel Jennifer Reeves, a senior fellow at the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies, Space Center of Excellence, said this should not be a surprise to anyone thinking seriously about modern warfare.
Fires happen in all warfighting domains and space has been declared a warfighting domain. Yet there is this sort of moratorium still that we are not talking about offensive action in space. So in my opinion, General Whiting is using very doctrinal terms to sort of broach a subject that is wildly uncomfortable.
gloves are off, man. And I you know, it actually makes sense because I was looking back and I remember Patton got a lot of crap for talking about tank warfare. They’re like, we’re not going that way, right? Because we always have the old way of thinking.
Well, same way with air power. That’s right. Especially when when he came up with the strategic campaign.
So we’re like, whoa, what are you talking about? And now that’s all we talk. So I I think you should take your hat off to General Whiting saying we need to address it now. You know what I envision, right? Because they’re doing it.
I’m sure they’re talking about it. A few months ago, we talked about that poor Marine being left on the island with one piece of artillery. Right.
Now he’s in a space suit staying up on some platform in space. Say when. It’s just funny how much.
It’s crazy how much that evolved this because 10 years ago when I was teaching space history and Jake, I know like when you were out there then we always say that space was a benign environment. Right. That was the only domain that wasn’t out there with with with military power.
Now that’s all changed. It’s all done. Well, and I think and I don’t know why that is.
I don’t know why. When did that treaty get rescinded though? There was a Oh, the militarization thing. Outer Space Treaty or something.
Outer Space Treaty. That’s a good point. I’m sure we get some fast because that’s I bet you that’s right around the same time Russia and us.
I wonder who’s that treaty. Well, yeah, who signed that thing. Right.
It was a 1967 right. The Treaty of 1967. So I think I think it was signed more than a hundred countries.
And it has been ratified by 95 countries since then. That’s interesting. I wonder what those other countries who are not capable of putting those web systems on space.
And now they’re seeing all these big countries. But I don’t know. Yeah.
I’m sure Senegal is like remember when Russia. We would every once in a while on Vandenberg we would have Russian ambassadors on base and Russian military to do inspections of our of our launch facility there. And it was part of that treaty.
I don’t remember what it what that treaty was. I don’t think that’s outer space treaty though. Probably not.
But it would be interesting to start treaty or start. I don’t know. Either way Well start was all nukes I thought too.
I think that’s it. I think that’s what I thought salt aren’t you talking about salt the salt treaty? Well that was one too. Yes salt was one.
I knew that was another ones. Yeah. Yeah.
That was another one. But you’re right. Outer Space Treaty sounds familiar but I don’t know what it covers.
So maybe that’s why we can start talking about it. But I I think he’s right. I mean because we we always are never prepared for the next war.
Now we get into it we get our ass kicked and then we adjust and then we we do well. But we’re always fighting the previous war. So maybe General Whiting is stepping up and going look this is where it’s going.
We need to have this capability. Let’s go. At the very least we need to have some defensive measures up there to protect our assets.
You know. Well every time you look at the news now the the third world war is always some kind of you know headline. So.
What do you mean? You mean like like a launch or something like that? Like the other day I was I was looking at news online and the title was a potential map of nuclear targets in the U.S. and it showed you know Colorado, California being serious targets. Yeah. New York, Washington of course.
Sure. You know so a map of those explosions. So when you’re talking about deterrence what better to have some type of space weapon system.
Well. And you go back to you go back to Reagan’s Star Wars right the SDI initiative and that did a lot to convince the Soviets that like we can’t you know we can’t keep spending to try to beat this. Now it didn’t work back then really you know but the threat of it or the threat of using it or having it made a lot of difference.
you know lasers I think are still a long way off but if you have some kind of offensive weapon and you’re like look what we can do all of a sudden game changes. Yeah. Your rhetoric calms down a little bit.
A little bit. Right. A little bit.
So I thought it was interesting. I thought it was an interesting article also the only interesting space article. Yeah.
Good. General Whiting though. Yeah.
Good on him. So you know patent of our time I suppose. Okay.
We did was it last year that we talked about the Arlington horses? Well we talked about them a couple times right? Yeah. And I guess Jake you brought it up saying that they they had horses for security forces out of Vandenberg. Well this next story is kind a sad story that we touched on briefly and I thought it came and all of a sudden it came back but the from the Vandenberg Space Launch Delta 30 Public Affairs Office.
The sun sets on Vandenberg’s military working horse program. In 1996 Vandenberg gained a new unit of four-legged defenders from Howard Air Base in Panama. Just so you know I think that’s a mistake by the way.
I think it came from Clark in the Philippines. I don’t recall there any units having a horse patrol in Panama. I believe I’m serious.
Oh really? Yeah I think those horses came from the Philippines. Oh well they said they came from Howard. I know I read the article so it may be but I don’t recall there ever being a security forces, security police.
Well this wasn’t a long established thing because they got to Vandenberg in 99 and that’s when they Vandenberg was like well let’s have a military working horse program so this hasn’t been like for 50, 60, 70 years or something like that. Clark closed down in 91 but the horse patrol had been at Clark for many many moons. Interesting.
At Clark. As a part of the conservation law enforcement section within the 30th security forces squadron horses and their riders were tasked to patrol over 99,000 acres most of which is difficult to traverse on foot making the horses a vital asset to the mission. The horses also played a huge role in the community.
They were always present and posturing at events and parades. U.S. Air Force Brigadier General Roy W. Collins director of security forces had nothing but praise for the program on Vandenberg. Vandenberg’s military working horse program is an important part of our security forces history.
Well back to 99. Yeah. These four-legged defenders and the defenders who rode them played a vital role in the base defense and will forever hold a special place in our career fields legacy.
That’s good words. Yeah really did base defense but uh to combat the loss I think the sad part is this to combat the loss of the horses the 30th security force squadron will utilize their small unmanned aerial system section operating what are commonly called drones. They perform aerial missions together intel and cover ground that all terrain vehicles can’t.
On August 9th so last week the Vandenberg military working horse program will retire or they did retire the horses and hang up their spurs. So uh I got. Those horses got replaced by drones.
By drones I know. Here’s the thing it’s like let’s say you’re doing the drones and stuff there’s still something to say of like okay yes send out the drones but you still gotta go to those areas which is hard you still gotta get there. Yeah right.
You have a fortune to around. I mean I know there’s there’s some cliffs out there that are overlooking beaches and stuff and they’re flying drones around they’re like hey look we gotta go get those guys and they look at each other like haven’t got no horses we got no ATVs uh I don’t know we’re gonna get them right. Oh we see them we see them.
The 24th security police squadron at Howard Air Force Base did have mounted horse patrol. I am corrected. Whoa that’s a big man.
I have been corrected. Well here’s the here’s the video Vanneberg put out. I know it’s so sad guitar right.
You think they get to adopt them like a working dog? This program was founded in 1996. Originally the first group of horses came from Howard Air Base in Panama. That base closed down in 1999 and as a part of their downsizing the horses had to be disposed somewhere so they were brought up to Vanneberg from Panama.
Okay a couple. We’re gonna have two horses. We’re gonna have military working horse Duke and we’re gonna have military working horse Buck and then we’re gonna be transferring military working horse Dakota to the United States Marine Corps.
Their mountain warfare school horse rider program is going to utilize him to train members of the special operations community. You know you’re gonna see a guy who’s glad this horse program is going away. What I do have parts about having these horses is we can cover a lot of them down very long.
What’s going to be covering for a lot of what we can’t see now is going to be our swaths program which is part of the 30 security forces squadron. By doing more over flights to the beach we’ll be able to still get to those areas of Vanneberg where it’s not necessarily accessible by ATV truck or maybe difficult. Just like what you said.
How are you going to get down there and apprehend them. So they did that because a while ago there were some protesters like when I was out there there was protesters interrupting a launch and if you’re in that area in a launch area. Oh yeah yeah it’s a launch freezer.
Yep so they waited for all the protesters to land and get on the beach and then they were just waiting at the top of the ridge for them to crawl up the hill. Oh they were just waiting at the top of the hill just be like Eric you’re not going anywhere come on up but the military horses were out there and a bunch of other cops were out there. You know as as much as uh Eric Mox the space force and the technology I would like to see Master Sergeant Peratt sitting there when they’re like all right Peratt we got this new technology called drones and he’s like I don’t need no drones I just run down there and tackle the guy and he’s like get my damn horse.
Yeah here’s your little controller all right the fuel goes right here 1958 oh god 1958 horses at Clark Air Base that’s how long those were in effect until the volcano now that’s a that’s a rich history of horsemanship yes not 99 with like three horses we had a stable for sure very cool so you know as as the acoustic guitar reminds you it’s a somber time for the horses going away so so when you think about how long horses have been used in military operations reckless the last day Sergeant Reckless you think those days are no more horses no camel no camel Douglas where’s Reckless I don’t know I gotta refresh the picture again this is rigged against me what Douglas didn’t win yeah I know he didn’t he didn’t he’s a little more famous than Reckless famous for being a kabob that’s all he’s famous for get out of here with that crap he was skewered he was good oh my goodness Eric what were you gonna finish your thought on uh on the yeah I was just saying oh we’ve used horses in the military and I said do you think they’re the the day of using a horse for military operations is done completely now I don’t know I mean they’re still using like New York right for crowd control and stuff those are police police yeah police do um I don’t know probably and you know why you know why it’s probably not because they’re not effective it’s because uh we don’t have anybody take care of them we don’t do a very good job of it look what they did uh they killed a couple those are like the best horses we got yeah honor guard horses and we’re like feed them a rock yeah eat a rock eat a rock they’ll be fine I think they’re fine because they seem good oh man so that’s that’s probably why is but I mean I I’m sure they wish they could continue on but what’s what’s the what’s the afsc for that you know or the space now you got space guys taking care of horses you need a gs9 gs11 yeah cops certainly aren’t doing convoy operations on horses anymore that’s for damn sure wow now hey didn’t what didn’t one of the hemsworths star in that horse the horse oh yeah uh horse soldiers yeah that’s right see we need those recent and that was definitely modern times for sure but that was special they were special yeah it was special horses yeah special horses for they had a lot of tassels okay let’s let’s close it out I’m eager to hit this story right so from uh militarytimes.com right now this last story is a warning to all you soldiers and airmen and marines and sailors and guardians that maybe not everything you put out there on social media is the best thing to put out there as this officer can attest so from military times.com comes how a tiktok video got one military officer court martial so navy lieutenant commander james dickerson made what he called a joke video of himself that he then posted on tiktok on july 14 2023 who he said that he only expected family and friends to see it but his command at the navy expeditionary war fighting development center also saw it so in june of this year it took a year but dickerson was court martialed for the video that he put out there he was charged with a violation of article 133 of the uniform code of military justice conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman dickerson’s charge sheet alleged that he wrongfully and dishonorably posted the video showing himself acting in a contemptuous manner towards the navy while in uniform not contemptuous it was pretty contemptuous oh yeah that was a good one here is the video oh the little tagline on there said you know when you when you when you’re scheduled to work the day before you have to go on leave so uh i get it i felt that way too you’re like god damn it they gave me a mid right before may leave oh yeah i thought you were going to show me some you know he’s naked from below his no that’s what he could argue he’s like hey i didn’t actually say anything because he was just lip-syncing to sitting in his zoom meeting with no pants on no he didn’t any of that stuff i know you’re all excited and know but you’re saying yeah here’s the thing is but i there’s so many videos with people in uniform right are they going to go after all of them because here’s the thing is are you’ll be consistent it’s got to be contentious this part does say dickerson not now there’s a lot in that article about how the commander put him in or made the charge against him but then withdrew it and then put another charge in which was just a judge only instead of a jury right so dickerson was found not guilty at a judge alone trial on june 13th of this year the saga of the officer and his tiktok content was outside or has outside attorneys wondering why he was ever charged in the first place for such an infraction so there are military attorneys it’s like yeah that was bad judgment uh you know put him down i mean pull it down uh admonish him you know do some kind of disciplinary thing but a court marshal and that that’s where some of the lawyers are saying this case also offers a glimpse into the murky legality involving involved in court marshalling service members for social media posts and how no single charge in the ucmj governs such infractions leaving commanders across the services to apply the law as they and their legal staff see fit so yeah there’s no coverage either way right right everybody agrees in the article even he said it himself he goes yeah i didn’t expect anybody to see it but my friends okay dumb but uh this guy was prior enlisted made it major he got up to lieutenant commander uh he’s been pretty faithful servant of the u.s military uh just trying to make a joke they just kicked him no no no no he’s found not guilty he’s found not guilty oh shit yeah the judge said no he’s not guilty okay now the recommendation was contemptuous though it was pretty damn funny right and he said he had some of his uh troops see it and they’re like and they comment are like sir it was funny though right and they’re like oh yeah that was funny uh but there you know we mentioned this before there are a host i think mostly in the army but they’re a host of younger enlisted who are live streaming in uniform uh you know you know from the barracks room from the workplaces there’s there’s one where there’s a security forces guy who got in trouble but he live streams all the time while he’s on duty now there’s gotta they gotta address that right even though there’s nothing in ucmj that addresses it now but still it’s not going away they’re going to have your duty location right yeah your life yeah because when while you’re on duty that’s like different because then you’re you’re your dereliction of your duty yeah but that yeah and that’s going to come down to like how do you prove he was derelict you know i don’t know that’s that’s a whole crazy league that’s why we’re too old to be in the military now what do you what do you do what do you say to the person right we’re always going to sound crusty or and they’re going to say hey there’s nothing that says i can’t do this other than common sense but you know prove that i was derelict i will say though that this generation does challenge you versus like i think we we didn’t really question the last those like okay we just gotta do it or whatever but then again they said okay cool then show me where where this is at right like what am i doing wrong what and then you can’t say because i told you so right yeah i’ll show you i well and you know what eric i always like counseling like verbal counseling i always hated paperwork fucking hate paperwork but it’s just that’s where we’re at and now but then when you’re doing the paperwork that’s when you have to do your research okay oh yeah you know halfway through like oh shit all right maybe i should have got this about a different way paperwork can be challenged too that’s the whole thing no that’s what i’m saying can be challenged which makes discipline but that’s why i was saying when when i got more in the habit of doing paperwork and doing a lot of research i had those moments where like oh fuck like yeah i guess you know even back in our day you question what paperwork should be given was that equivalent with the letter of counseling or should we be at an lor should we be loa or you go ucmj right right it was always a big question mark and then if you did something didn’t reach the standard your commander was like you should have gave him an lor what’d you give me an loc that’s nothing that’s a slap on the roof that’s round filed when he goes to the next base yeah it doesn’t stay i mean there’s nothing like the army discipline process process where you had summarized article 15s and they’re like okay we’re taking uh 15 days pay and you got 15 days extra duty all of a sudden a lot of that minor shit goes away right when you take pay when you take pay from somebody you’re like oh shit i’m not doing that yeah all right keep on and i keep on like escorted an airman to pentacola to the navy um brig attention center there oh my gosh dude like the moment he got there did they were just like pit bulls they used right after i put him in the tension and we went a couple months later to pick him up damn he had to ask for permission for every step that he was taking in that hallway so there’s squares right it was tile floor so he would actually say hey um dating uh dating blah blah blah asking permission to move one square holy shit and when he did this the the the the military guys they’re the navy guys they were just talking to us they look at him ignore him wow he can say no more i i swear it was two minutes later like permission granted and he takes one step forward oh oh that’s what i’m talking about is control in the military man so it’s well yeah i feel i feel eric guy little chub right there he’s oh yeah big time they had one of those on vanderberg too yeah oh they did a facility like that very big but yeah really and they had to pay the tax they did the paint on the they did paint on the sidewalks and then he’s like paid the tax and they had to do like 10 push-ups like all right proceed pay the tax yeah i was like walk the line stay on the line it was all but you know i remember working at i i also on the flip side of that right i remember via the mcs and there was somebody uh jake jake might remember that female who was denef she couldn’t work crew so i think they made her go shovel snow right like go shovel the the front of the mcs because she couldn’t she couldn’t sit crew but she was there so they made her go show her to work and she went right to uh not eo but she went to complain and neutered that commander and because because the squadron commander is like that you can’t do that you know so he came down on the commander the captain or whoever it was for having her do that and just completely took his authority away that’s the part that’s we we couldn’t handle because your command doesn’t have your back now yeah yeah we’ll throw yeah that’s what’s tough so anyway uh one more time fuck it all no i didn’t read the context at the bottom though he’s like that makes more sense that he was like you’ve got notified that you got to shift basically yeah that’s what it says it’s uh you know how you feel when you get a sign or you get scheduled for work right before you leave the day before you leave so so i get it yeah everybody can feel that pain imagine his leadership that when they talk to him was like hey um you’re right but well and also imagine it’s like should i put that out last year yeah yeah you’re gonna bring charges a year later that’s a little bit crazy so well you know what they were sitting there figuring out how what do we call this what are we going to do with it what article are we going to freaking acknowledge that he broke well yeah and i wonder if like the first look was like ah that dumb ass for his uniform all right just let it go until somebody up the chain is like what unit is that guy in and then there’s like are you guys doing anything about him and they’re like uh we are now i guess so i bet you that’s what happened like somebody else yeah somebody i saw it and it was like him uh also him being a mustang if he doesn’t care imagine how many officers he fucking pisses off all the time anyways yeah somebody his peer group does not probably enlist it and he’s like not fuck this shit like he was just you know he wasn’t like uh what’s his name uh like degrading the air force you know he wasn’t on the navy or his command or anything like that he was just being a goofball 60 year old when he’s 45 yeah you know what it was i’m saying though it just what’s that it was that look of contempt yeah 32 seconds maybe the double bird yeah maybe that that had something to do with it i’m sure that’s good behavior take us home eric what do we got for history today cool um you guys always dog me for having sad terrible history so i’m trying to make this one a little better yeah you know it’s a big day so think about this all right anybody know what vj day was oh victorian do you know what the date was do you know what the date was uh i well sometime in august 1945 well i guess it is august but i wanted to give you there was actually a couple dates so you know right after 13th of august right after nagasaki was dropped on right that’s when the guy said oh shit hero the empress said we’re done so pot stand met the pot stand declaration was issued by allied leaders on july 26 1945 calling the japan to surrender if it did it was promised a peaceful government according to the freely expressed will of the japanese people if it did not it would face prompt and utter destruction the embattled japanese government in refused to surrender and august 6 the american b-29 and oleg a dropped an atomic bomb on the city of shima killing 70 000 people and destroying five square mile expanse of the city three days later the united states dropped the second atomic bomb in nagasaki killing 40 000 is that fat man yeah uh yes little boy was the first one first one yeah and then fat fat man the other one so the following day so let’s say the sixth of august dropped the uh bomb on hiroshima yeah uh killing let’s see and then three days later so six seven eight nine the following day the japanese government issued a statement accepting the terms of the pot stand declaration in a radio address in the early afternoon of august 15th which was august 14th the united states emperor harry heat urge these people to accept the surrender blaming the use of the new and most cruel bomb on hiroshima nagasaki for the country’s defeat should we continue to fight harry heater declared it would not only result in the ultimate collapse and obliteration of the japanese nation but would also lead to the total extinction of human civilization so seeing it firsthand he knew what would happen so v day was actually originally set on vj day vj day was set on 14 august oh very good very good to walk us through that i like that so a little better good day that was a great day no more killing that is very good very happy that was a happy day compared to your last six months six sweet military history is rough to find something happy right right it’s no uh uh i think i remember that it’s no rork denver story you know uplifting navy seal story but even when you talk about douglas the camel look at his freaking demi is well you know what we could do next year i thought eric you can remind us about of course as i’ve andberg retire because it’ll be history yes happy one i’ll hit it next august no that won’t be on the website that he uses so just a little piece of more one more history which i thought was really cool and the reason i didn’t talk about it was because marty would have said that’s not us military history so i didn’t bring that up but on 14 august i don’t know why you use that tone i think we’re all agreed it’s a good tone 14 august was also the date that the silviates started barbed wiring and building the wall separating the berlin that’s right so resulting and the berlin air left a couple months later what year was that 19 was that 45 it’s 45 bunkers man yep sons of bitches and i was stalling man he freaking they woke up and the wire the bob eye was going up the wall was going up and they freaking boarded that place up hard that is crazy we kept it like that for 40 years yeah he was very much 89 right and he grew a hell of a mustache oh yeah i think 89 was when the wall came down because it was reagan i think it was 89 yeah it was 89 on that wall yeah i remember because we were out at a bar and some guys like hey we should say we got pieces on the wall and go out and drink and tell girls out all right what a line you know it’s also interesting that you know if you read anything about uh japan in those final days how who was it who was in charge of the firebombing campaign is that mitchell lemay not mitchell lemay that’s right lemay and we killed more with the firebombing that we did with the two nukes portion man saying man well everything they built was wood you know it went up like kindling right right man crazy good one i just posted eric got me thinking i’m like what other plane other than the anola gay was doing work there and there’s actually a scientific observation plane that and crew that flow with flew with the anola gay oh no kidding i didn’t and there was a photography crew that flew with the anola gay is that uh what you said in the chat that article i sent that in the chat yeah that’s really cool so that was kind of cool i was like oh man yeah yeah because i was wondering if the anola gay was just the one that dropped on Hiroshima or it was both that’s it was it was it was a different plane that it had to be a different i think it was only the anola gay they probably had to modify it in some sort of way i know paul tibitz was the pilot because i remember reading that when i was a kid and it’s stuck in my head but they didn’t drop on both cities did they i don’t think so i’m looking is it in that article it’s the Hiroshima mission neat cool i didn’t mean to say neat no box car was the other box car box car yeah yep so all right we’ll take a look at that uh what do you say fellas we had end up do you guys have any final notes yeah i have one more question though are you are you gonna go back on ash’s radio and uh you know probably not no i’m sure because as soon as we were done there was like hey thanks for helping out and i was like yeah and he got in his car and i was like okay i guess we’re done so nice good it’ll be back like i said there they run uh they you know they they get money and they donated the veterans causes and uh that’s probably why you know we haven’t been invited to anything because we’re just a bunch of jackasses oh it’s good that you got to go on that’s kind of cool it was interesting they called i thought that was fun yeah i thought that was fun so uh what we’re trying to do what i jake and i were talking with uh ken is that you know there’s enough podcasters around we should get our own event for a call like colorado podcasters hey you go like skeet shooting or golfing or something and we could raise some money for you know for a cause and just have like a podcast fest that would be and meet the other guys doing their thing and talking yeah there you go yeah yeah something like that i think there’s some potential for doing that yep but one is a space symposium kind of guy oh yeah i did go this year so and he’s uh he would promote it on linkedin and say what a wonderful event i’m so proud of all the work that everyone on the team did there meanwhile in uniform i’ll be having all this here i’d like to thank you for listening today please like share subscribe let us know how we get the comments and make sure next week that you are not late for changeover oh yeah that’s close sound effects and everything what a treat oh oh i can finally say thank you and thank you for the week and thanks 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