Episode Title: Late For Changeover 12 Mar 2025
Date: March 11, 2025
This is a special event alert. True story, I am driving my fancy brand new Mazda sports car on the main drive of Buckley and playing for the change-over between space news and variety shows. I’m the host Marty Smith and I’m joined by our man-in-the-closet Jake Wall.
You lost me at fancy Mazda. And our puzzle princess is back on a Mondragon. You had me at Ferndog.
And of course Mr. History, Eric Herat. I’m just glad to hear he didn’t die in a flip-over video. Way to bring it down.
Way to bring it down. We’re here to bring you the latest headlines and updates pertinent to all Guardians and to the other lower branches as well. So take your seats, get them formed, and have a laugh as we present late for change-overs.
Wow, we got a really full house. That’s great. Yeah, good to see you all there.
And we’re joined by our special guest, retired Chief Master Sergeant Michelle Zayas. Made her reputation all over Colorado from really down to Colorado Springs and out to Falcon and probably beyond. Beyond, yes sir, thank you.
Chief, when did you retire? 14 years and 22 days ago from the reserves. What’s that in Julian date? February of 2011. February of 2011.
And I retired just a year ago from my civilian job in North York. You’re retired, retired. I am 100% retired.
But you were in when they had pension was so good, right? No, because I kind of, it was 50%. But because I only did four years of active, all of my remaining 21 years was Guard Reserve. So I’m getting paid.
I mean, with Northraut. Oh yes, I have a full pension with Northraut. Yeah, because Northraut got rid of pensions.
What? Yeah, 15, 14. So 2014, they locked it down. I was 1998.
Yeah. All right. You can tell us when you joined up.
Oh, Air Force. February of 1982. I almost said 1990.
And I’m still the oldest. I mean, but that’s not far. It’s not far.
Yeah, that’s pretty darn close. Same on, came on active duty May of 82. What is your data service? October of 81.
October of 81 is when I went to see the recruiter. I was already there. Yeah, I was already in the recruiter’s office in October, but I didn’t go into delayed enlistment until the following February.
All right, Chief, we’re close. I think that’s, I think it’s pretty fascinating because at that time, military was not the profession to go into, right? The early eighties. Not for women.
Not for women. Oh yeah, I forgot about that case. Not for women.
Yeah, right. Think about that. Chief, you came in as what? What’s the space history there? I came in as a, uh, open general.
My SFAB wasn’t all that great, but I think general. And then during basic training things, when they gave you the list. Well, they gave it cop or open general.
In fact, it was funny because no, I didn’t want personnel. No offense, sweetie. No offense, but I wanted something that had to do technology wise.
So it was either air traffic control, which at the time was a two seven four or aerospace control and warning systems operator, which was a two seven six. And that could take you AWACS, AWACS, ground radar, or space, all three. Wow.
That’s cool. I got it. Yep.
I got the two seven six and stayed two seven six until the change over to one Charlie six by the air force. And that’s when I joined the guard and Greeley, I became a one Charlie six from two seven six. So did you go active? Did you go straight into a car? No, I was four years active duty.
I did a year in Iceland. Where’s the first duty station at then? Iceland, Iceland, man. Here’s the story.
Here’s the story. Fourteen students in the class and their instructor comes in last day. He’s handing us our orders and Manila envelopes.
And the first guy is Pickham Air Force Base, Hawaii. The next guy gets, believe it or not, Roda, Spain. Oh, my next guy gets next guy gets Rockville, Iceland, which was a considered a remote assignment, but you were only 50 miles from Keflavik.
So you had civilization around you. And then the next one was Hoffman, which was a remote site on the southeast corner of this country in Iceland. And then the next one, Pickham.
And then the next one, Rhoda. And then the next one, Rockville. So I started counting all the way around.
Oh, no. And I got the remote. No way.
A hundred guys, 10 women didn’t buy a drink for a whole year. Nice. Way to play that to your advantage.
I could do it the way I wanted. I was single. Where was tech school at? Kiesler Air Force Base.
Biloxi, Mississippi. So it was all three. We learned the basics of AWACS, ground radar, or space.
And then depending on then where the Air Force needs, where you went, where you were needed. So I went ground radar. That was in Iceland.
We intercepted the the bear bombers out of Russia. Right. Coming over the poles, right? HOFN.
And the F has a little tink above it. It was short for Haffnefjorde. And Umla.
And it was on the southeast corner of the state. It jutted out into the Arctic Ocean. And you could have watched this.
Watch this. What’s going to happen here? Lightbulb. What are you going to do? H-O-F.
I know where I am. Oh my gosh. But what do you mean? So how far into your career were you when your first duty station got shut down? Got shut down? Yeah.
Well, oh, oh, Haffen. Oh, it was turned into a, believe it or not, it was turned into a rehab center in the late, mid to late 90s. They took Rockville and Haffen because the buildings were there and the ice critics owned them.
And they turned them into rehab centers. And the crazies got the remote in the same ones. Yeah, yeah.
Weed and shrooms guys got in town. Very possible. Very possible.
But yeah, it was, but it had been open since the fifties. There were five major radar sites in Iceland since the early fifties. And I was the first woman, first woman to begin the second full rotation of women because it was only men up there until 81.
So I started the second full rotation of 10 women, like I said, and a hundred guys. Holy cow. It was like mash, but with buildings.
I was going to say, is that like walking into a lion’s den with red meat on them? They were good. They were good. I held my own, but they, and they were good.
The worst part of it. Right out of tech school too. Maybe guys, right out of tech school, but we had buildings.
You had to have land lines between the buildings because the winds, we were out on the ocean. Yeah, man, no, the wind wasn’t cold. It wasn’t that cold at all.
Actually it wasn’t, you wouldn’t feel very, I can’t imagine the wind. Just the wind. If you didn’t, you had buckets of rocks inside the barracks doors and a scale.
And you had to stand on the scale. And if you didn’t weigh 140 pounds, you filled your pockets in your park. Oh, wow.
You could get blown into the ocean. Yeah, that makes sense. That would have been to the other end.
Yeah. I don’t know who came up with that. Somebody fell into the ocean.
Yeah, probably. Yeah, I guess we’re very, no, we actually, there was one of our, one of our guys had gotten blown into the ocean and high winds were up. We had wind meters all over the place.
We knew when it was bad and you had to, you know, especially when it was, you know, 12 hour or 23 hours a day of no light. Oh yeah. So you were up there.
No, I really have beautiful, beautiful country. It was beautiful. You didn’t really have the, the low temps, like Thule then you just had.
No, correct. No, there’s Thule is all ice. We had a lot of green, no trees.
There’s no trees. And I, in fact, they always say there’s a tree behind every sheet, but there’s a lot of sheep, a lot of potato farming, but no trees, nothing too great to win. But we were on a man made peninsula that went out into the ocean.
Yeah, it was pretty cool. Wow. That’s fascinating.
That’s fascinating. But no, no fresh eggs or fresh milk for a year. So they give you the powdered stuff, powdered eggs, powdered milk.
Yeah. If we were lucky, we could go down to the local village, but if there was not enough stock for the villagers to buy, they wouldn’t let us buy them because they had to make sure the villagers had fresh eggs. You know, I’m trying to think back to like World War II, where like the women would like trade nylons and stuff for like chocolate bars.
You’re like the first woman up there on a rotation. You’re like, give me some eggs, baby. Yeah, like I said, she had omelets all day, every day.
And I was only 18, but I could drink. Sure. I mean, the drinking age at the time was 18 in the military.
Yeah, right. What’s their beer? I’m sorry. What’s their like famous beer? We had all the American stuff.
Everything was shifted. We also had ration cards. We had ration cards for liquor.
Oh, wow. You could get a bottle of vodka, a bottle of gin, a bottle of scotch every month. And you had a little thing that they’d stamp your card.
That’s the same way it was in Turkey in 82, saying, Incirlik, ration cards, going into the freaking class. Ration cards, yep. Yeah, but see, Eric was beating people up and taking their ration cards.
And he was like, oh, no. I’ve got… I was playing football, remember? Cheers. Yeah, football guys never drink after practice.
But it was a phenomenal assignment. And then from there, I came to Buckley to work. Oh, and then you got out of active duty at Buckley and then went to the guard.
At Buckley, went to the guard, Mississippi. I did three state guards. I did Mississippi for a year.
And then had a five-year service break. Went to Germany. Yeah, what was the Mississippi guard? What was that mission? That was the 255th Air Control Squadron.
We were changing missions, we were ground radar, but then we were turning into another mission. I was a training NCOAC. Then went to Germany with the hubby.
We were in Berlin before, during, and after the wall coming down. So that was pretty exciting. Oh, damn.
That’s historical. That was great. I got my own… I got a hundred pound chunk of the wall in my backyard.
It’s great. Oh, wow. And then from there, geez, New York State Guard.
And again, I was training the guys that were going to Columbia to run the radars for the drug missions. It was great. I wish I could have gone.
It wouldn’t let me go. It wouldn’t let me go. Only when.
Yeah, you’re an instructor. That’s right. Yeah, I am.
And then from there, Colorado Guard. And I worked at the air-to-ground gunnery range outside of Fort Carson for our F-16s, our red eyes out of Buckley. Scored the wing commanders on their fly-in and their bomb dropping.
And I know the story there too. And then from there, went to Greeley and stood up the 137th for the DSP. Oh, wow.
Oh, very cool. And then was there two and a half, three years, and then was one of the original five founding members of the 8th Space Warning Squadron. Who convinced you to come down to 8th Swiss? The Guard.
Instead? Oh, really? Yeah, it was horrible. Couldn’t get promoted, couldn’t do anything. No, couldn’t get promoted.
Sexual harassment was rampant. It was horrible. But I had heard that DSP, or excuse me, that 8th Swiss, I had gotten a civilian job with TRW first.
How? Well, there you go. In the second Swiss. Yeah.
Heard about the reserve unit standing up, knew a couple of the people, and said, I want to transfer from guard to reserve. And my career just took off from there. Yeah, very cool.
Yeah, I’ve been very blessed. Very, very blessed. Yeah.
And well, when were you in the 3-0-second? Well, I was not in 3-0-second. I was part of the 8th Swiss. Oh, but you had to go 3-0-second for manpower.
That’s right. Yeah, it was the 3-10th Space Wing. And then you had the 3-10th Space Wing.
So, Eric, Anna was doing CSR stuff at 3-0-second, right? Yeah. You were in the 3-0-second, Air Lift Wing. Which was doing all the personnel stuff for the 3-10th Space Group.
Group. I gotcha. Right.
And so that’s how they arrived. They took care of us. Without them, we didn’t get fed.
We didn’t get lodging. We didn’t get paid without the 3-0-second, right? We worked with the 3-0-second cops constantly, especially on our building. Oh, you did? Oh, okay.
Yeah, they pointed us and stuff. Yeah, cool. And they got us.
That’s a damn lot of cops down there. That’s crazy. Ew.
Zombie apocalypse. All right, you’re with me. Why do you have a machete? What the hell? The zombie apocalypse.
Jimmy bought it for me today. Too many cops. For the zombie apocalypse.
Yeah, nice. I know you guys live a little bit out of the sticks, but my God. It’s got a saw on one side.
He said it was five dollars. He was like, there was some sell for five bucks. Here you go.
I had to have one of those. True life. True love.
Yeah, he was driving by the corner, and the guy’s like, roses? He’s like, no roses. No, I want a machete. I want a machete.
He’s like, oh, I’d take one of those. Yeah, wife will love that. My old lady does not like roses, but the machete you had me at.
That’s a perfect lint gift. A linting gift. Here’s your machete for Ash Wednesday.
That’s great. That was really cool. I didn’t know that.
So I look forward to interviewing you. You should listen to Eric’s. Anna’s was funny.
Jake’s is. I would. We should redo yours, Jake.
When we did it so early on. Yes, it’s that good. It’s too good.
That’s what is stupid. Hearing about the lava farm and all that. Can I find them on YouTube? Yeah, they’re all out there.
Oh, all right. You got to go back a few years. Way back.
We just did last year, so. Yeah, all right. I want to see Jake’s now.
Oh, yeah. That was like three years ago. Jake was one of the first five interviews I ever did.
It was a practice round, for sure. So Eric, if I got to ask, all of us are reserved or work together at one point, how did you get in the mix of this craziness? Yeah, a little weird. Marty and I had a mutual friend who was moving.
And we were both helping her move. And him and I started a conversation, and he talked about interviewing people for the Swearing In podcast. And yeah, sort of took off from there, man.
And then it was Eric who said we should do more. And that’s the genesis of this show. Yeah, I mean, we had so much fun with it when we first started.
And not that we are now, but a lot of fun. I’m like, damn, this could go somewhere. Let’s have fun.
Let’s keep going. Like I said before, the original iteration of this was you were supposed to bring a story to talk about. And then Jake stopped bringing any stories and then Eric stopped bringing any stories.
I don’t think I ever started, Marty. How do I get these guys to keep coming back? And I was like, all right, fine. I’ll just show up.
You should bring stories up. That’s the qualification. Yeah, you get thumbed down in the stories.
You’re like, I did not. I never thought we’re like that. That’s a lie.
He’s been spreading for the last couple of years. Got tired of being micromanaged. So I was like, all right, Marty.
I’ll just. So Chief, it really worked out that you had to have a token cop beating up on a bunch of space winnings. Yeah, it’s nice.
So that’s true. That’s true. Not that they’ve never done that before.
Let me tell you. Well, that’s true. It’s an easy target.
But then again, sort drops. They’re easy. Yes, I must say so.
Let’s let’s let’s let’s put the I was going to be a cable and antenna maintenance specialist. Okay. Really? And then day one, they’re like, I gotta go back and listen to your own.
Cop cop cop. It was we can’t take you right away. If you’re going to do the cable.
Yeah. So you had to wait. And I said, I’m ready to go.
And they’re like, well, here’s your M16. Go out there. Now, in all fairness to Eric, he wasn’t a beat cop.
He was he did some special. He did stingers. He did some other special.
It’s cool stuff. Yeah, we had some pretty cool side. What was the base defense team called? Well, that was the one thousand ninth training squadron out in the Philippines.
Yeah. Yeah. Air base ground defense.
That’s it. We talked that. So I got my instruction and became my instructor.
Missile pigs. Yeah. Yeah.
Oh, those pigs had missiles. Anna joined because they bought her lunch. Her sister bought her lunch.
So she snacks. Oh, sorry. Oh, no snacks.
Can I tell my recruiting story? Or no. Oh, yeah. Of course.
Yeah. What’s your recruiting story? So I graduated from high school in 81 and wasn’t going to go to college. Oh, OK.
I had no had no plans to do anything. Really, I was I was the only daughter of six children. My parents couldn’t afford to send me to college and wasn’t interested in being a cashier all my life.
So my dad did Air Force few years in the fifties. My oldest brother had been in the Navy by that time. A couple of years.
So I figured army. Why not? Yeah. OK, so I don’t think it’s just behavior party.
This is when all the recruiters were all in one building. In fact, they all had a central area of waiting. And then over here was Coast Guard and Marines and all of them were attached to each other so they could wave at each other from across the off.
So I go into the army recruiter and I sat down. I made an appointment. I sat down and I said, look, I’ve got nothing for me here.
I’m looking for a little adventure, maybe some skills. And this is the absolute truth. I wish I could remember the guy’s name.
He said, you know what you can do for the army, honey? You can go across the hall and join the Air Force. I’m naive, not thinking. I had no idea that this guy was being a sexist pig.
Oh, yeah, I said space. I didn’t register. He didn’t register.
And I said, OK, so I got up. I walked across the hall. I knocked on the Air Force Tech Sergeant’s door.
He opened it. He waved to the Army E6 and said, thanks, bud. 29 years later, I retired as a Chief Master Sergeant, you motherfucker.
That’s what I’m talking about. Hell, yes. Very good.
Wow. Oh, man. I wish I knew at the time how naive I was being and say something to them.
No. I wish I could go back and find them and tell them, hey, I love that you carried that hang up for all those years. 78 years later.
It’s still full of rage. Fucking eight. All right, Jake.
You’re in. That was right around like Private Benjamin movie. Yes, yes.
Yeah, I want to be honest. I wanted, you know, I wanted to be honest. Oh, man.
That’s great. But if it hadn’t been for that army guy, I wouldn’t be sitting here today. I would never have met Marnie.
I never would have met my husband at the moment. You know, that guy was like, you know, what I just told her. High five.
Exactly. Exactly. And the recruiter was like, thanks for sending her over.
But, you know, the likelihood is high that that recruiter probably got kicked out of the service for probably sleeping with one of his recruits. So it was like that back then, though. It was absolutely horrendous.
There was a lot. The behavior was very normal, especially for the army. For some reason, I’m really feeling so much older now.
Way back then. Well, you didn’t like that way back then. Way back then.
Way back then. It was. Ashtray’s in the middle of the conference room table.
And Ashtray’s on the console. Ashtray’s on the console. Spaceops.
In the vehicle, baby. The smoke is everywhere. It’s actually pretty cool, though.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, it’s like so cool. I have been.
I’m at work. Why? Go ahead. Like waking up with nicotine.
Now you can’t even see that. I know I said it right. I remember sleeping in a Humvee and the platoon sergeant and the platoon leader and the other Humvee.
And this guy was an old guy from North Carolina. Literally like missing teeth. E7.
And you would hear him wake up in his coughing fit and then you would hear him light up. And he’d be like. Yeah.
Oh, that was better. And I was like, oh, my God. This guy.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That is crazy.
Did that turn you on, Marty? Yeah, it’s like you’re in a mask on. You’re in a mask on. I knew people.
I knew women in basic training that started to smoke just so they could get away from the TIs. Oh, no. Yeah, I tried to.
Yeah. Yeah, it’s great to smoke because I noticed that the person. Shit sounds of bricks.
Yeah, they would go out for like 30 minutes and hang out. What was your technique? What was your little technique? I’m going to smoke too. I’m going to smoke too.
Did you actually inhale, Anna? Or did you just pretend? I could do it. It gives me headaches. There’s no way.
I can’t do it, but it got you. Yeah, she did just the pass by. He broke his sword.
I’m going to secondhand. The thing’s got an ash out to here, but she’s holding it. Yeah, I agree with you.
You know what? Funniest. Okay. Funniest.
Okay. Okay. I hope you guys would get this.
Okay. Remember, you had to do like some sort of tour in the military, like whatever stocking toilet paper, raking leaves. Yeah.
It worked for the first sergeant. Yeah. But pick up cigarette butts.
That was me. Do that. And I was like, You didn’t even smoke.
I don’t even smoke cigarettes. You didn’t pick up cigarette butts. At least give me a glove.
Yeah. I’m going with the right away. You didn’t have gloves.
It is funny. As many like FOD walks or police calls that we’ve all done. And how many cigarette butts.
Hey, and smokers would just, I mean, that’s so presumptuous. It’s like, He can just toss it to him. Some knucklehead E2 will pick this up.
We’ll pick it up. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
It’s a horrible thing. Oh, man. That was entertaining.
I don’t even know if we need stories, but let’s do some stories. We’ll go through them quick anyway, right? So, let’s go through the news. Our first story.
I don’t know if I should put banners up because they’re going to cover you guys. But our first story is from space.com. I don’t think you’ll mind if you cover up Jake. That’s okay.
Oh, she’s getting into spirits. Okay, so our first story is from space.com. Oh, that’s too big. I’m excited about motion, Sonny.
That’s all I’m excited about. I’m just using it. Wow.
I didn’t hear what she said, so I’ll have to watch it when you hear it. We stepped over a line. Yeah, that’s on her back.
And she’s empowered by a cheap message. That’s true. Well, from space.com, Butch and Sonny are coming home.
Yay. I think this was thanks to us. When she lands.
I think this was in part because of us raising awareness last week. I think so. I’m taking full credit out.
What I really regret is that we never actually did any skits because we were right on the edge of doing skits for them for the last eight months. We would spend first 15 minutes of every show just trash. Two NASA astronauts who launched on a short mission at International Space Station last year that turned into a 10 month marathon.
Finally know when they’ll be coming home. The Boeing Starliner astronauts who launched on the spacecraft crewed flight test on June 5th. June 5th.
That’s crazy. Had been living aboard the International Space Station ever since their capsule returned to Earth without them. On Friday, last Friday, NASA cleared a relief crew to launch on SpaceX Dragon tomorrow.
It’s scheduled for tomorrow morning. Elon said, you got to get my stock back up for Tetsula before I launch. Exactly.
It could have been. Hitting my ship ready first. Right, right.
Let’s see. Do we have a current picture? We do. So there they are.
We’re going to need a hair tie. I’m sorry. She’s got to be a person in space.
She should have borrowed that guy’s headband. Exactly. This is crazy.
That’s why all the Velcro is full. She’s blowing, blowing morale because the Velcro is not sticky anymore. I got to tell you what, though.
Butch doesn’t look like he’s lost much bone density there, man. No, he’s looking. He’s looking pretty muscular.
Yeah, he’s a little puffy. But Nick Haig there, I think, is the guy taking over for for Sunny, because I think she was the commander for a while. So Starliner Department Space Station uncrewed last September.
A few weeks later, NASA astronaut Nick Haig and Roscosmos cosmonaut Alexander Gorbunov launched on the SpaceX Crew 9 mission with two seats aboard their Dragon spacecraft reserved for Williams and Wilmore during the return journey. Originally scheduled for February. All four will return together.
So here’s the part I didn’t realize. They sent Nick Haig and the Russian up there with two seats available. And then Butch and Sunny was like, okay, we’ll stay and we’ll help you do your mission.
And then all four of us will come back. So they, you know, I’m not that they have a lot of people up there that had been up there longer that they took the ride back. Right, right, right.
They’ve been up there since March of last year. So it was their rotation to come back. Right, so they’ve essentially filled in for their Crew 9 mission that whole time.
So they weren’t just I like it better how we painted them, but they’re just, you know, they’re just in the way. It’s like, excuse me again, please. They’re like, can I please help? Like, go away, dude.
No, I’m the main thing. Anything else to do. Goes to play spades or check out the smell of the good Russian.
Wouldn’t you love that opportunity? I would give my left arm to go into space. Sure, I get I would. I would go into space.
Maybe not go smoking everything. And I would give my left arm to go into orbit and they contributed. You have to admit.
Yeah, they did the mission. They did the mission. But at the same time, you know, they made up missions for them to do.
Let me get. Oh, I lost. They need to watch the bats running in the wheel.
Exactly. Go patch some of the debris holes. Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, go it’s time.
We got some trash. It needs to go to the progress before you release. Yeah, yep.
But at the same time, I mean, if you were going to the desert, they’re like, hey, you’ll be there for a week. And they’re like, oh, can you stay to. 20, 26.
You would have a little bit of the ass. It wasn’t like they could count down either. It’s not like you have a countdown.
You’re like, oh, I got four months. Yeah, because they didn’t know. We’re going to try to get you back some time.
Yeah. Do you think their spouse is here on Earth moved on? No, they did. Yeah, it’s way better than a different zip code.
He’s going to get home and he’s like, why is the grass a foot and a half long? What is going on? You weren’t here. Yeah, but on the countdown thing, Eric, Eric, when you got your orders after the end of a remote assignment, you taped them to your dormitory door and you took your own thing. And you could say either finally I got my orders or you could say something and you wore a yellow hat.
They gave you a yellow hat to wear around the site. So everybody on site knew you were short. I just walked around squatting.
Chief, don’t let him bullshit you. Eric was off playing football for most of his department. So he wasn’t worried about at all.
He put Big Mo up and then they’re like, I thought that was the new guy. It went on my helmet. We’ve been pulling shifts for this son of a bitch.
This guy, this is the whole time? He’s been here for four years. Went on my helmet, man. I played for the Big Mo team.
So SpaceX is launching tomorrow. They’re going to bring up the next crew, crew 10. There’ll be a changeover and then they’ll bring them back by Friday, I think.
Is it crazy? That quick? Yeah, that quick. It’s crazy because I remember talking about it way like last year. Yes, absolutely.
It seems so far in my head. Yeah, and that was, I can’t remember when you first started coming on the show, but yeah, it was around then. Yeah, like I’m so curious.
Yeah, and they didn’t know when they were going to come back. Blah, blah, blah. Wow.
Geez. So they rode out that mission. Good on them.
Really cool. Do that stinky t-shirt away now. Get rid of that.
Oh, yeah. Get a hair tie, woman. Get a hair tie and some hairspray.
I get it, right? I mean, if you were a woman, that would be really a cool sensation. But this doesn’t look all that cool, because the students watching her from earth wondering, did her head explode? And every woman up there does that, it seems like. They’re like, oh, got to let it go.
You’re right. I remember Sally Lydes first ride. I remember her in the show and she had the hair all over the place.
And just to give them some credit, this is crew 10. All right. All right.
Two American women, a, what was it? Japanese Japanese Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency and another Russian. Maybe he’s going to fix that odor in the Russian capsule. Because we did that story too.
So unidentified odor. Let’s see. Left for right.
Nicole Ayers. That hair is going all over the place. Look at that.
That’s going on. Not if she puts it in a ponytail. But they never did actually get a hair while they’re up there.
Maybe they’re trying to convince people kind of like, do you ever see the movie Capricorn One? They want to convince people that she’s in orbit. Did see that. That sounds that’s a movie you should have seen.
Oh, yes. They faked the moon landing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, not a moon landing. A landing on Mars. Yeah.
Landing on Mars. And both of Barbara’s same husbands were in that movie. Just as a trivia note.
Oh, there we go. Same term. But you see the third from the left, NASA astronaut Anne McLean.
She’s already got that haircut in race. You see? Yeah, yeah, good. That’s not going to do anything.
Yeah, that’s not going to do anything. Yeah, she’s not as though. She can put a little gel in it and stand up.
That second patch looks like the old DOV colors. Black and purple. DOV, Jesus.
Yeah, you’re right. You’re right. It does, doesn’t it? Sure.
Has your mangan’s badge and your sphinx? Oh, yeah. So, that’s what’s going on with Butch and Sunny. So, good on.
Well, hope for a safe return for all of us. Nothing’s home. Safe return.
All right. Very… Oh, sorry. Next story from space.com. For the second time in two years.
Intuitive machines. Has landed a lander on the moon? That’s fallen over. That’s twice.
That’s crazy. That’s an intuitive army recruiter that tried to retrieve the cheese. He’s fallen over by now.
I can only hope. I can only hope. For the second time in as many years, a private intuitive machines lunar lander has tipped over on the moon.
After a day of uncertainty following a harrowing moon landing attempt, the company intuitive machines sealed the fate of its latest lunar probe, Athena. The spacecraft which attempted a historic landing in rugged terrain near the south pole of the moon. Last Thursday had toppled on its side inside a frigid crater.
Now, here’s the picture. It was kind of hard to… These are these things. It’s kind of hard to see.
But you see those struts pointing up. Those are the feet. Oh my gosh.
And that’s the earth. Oh yeah, lit up in the background there. Yeah, that’s probably got that picture.
Well, I think it had a camera on one of the arms. That I still was able to take a picture. Yeah, yeah.
It’s mooning the earth. It’s mooning the earth. Mooning.
Its struts do look like they’re in struts in leg stirrups, right? It could be mooning the earth. Happened to do a fireball and fell over. That’s why we have on it because I would have never thought that a million years.
Well done. It looks like just a few hundred yards further, it would have fallen in the sun and been able to recharge its batteries. Yeah, it could have been because that gets limited sun on the south pole of the moon.
And this one, unlike their first one, where the solar panels were still exposed, this one didn’t have that same exposure that they knew it wasn’t going to recharge. So they called it and said it’s dead. It’s another piece of space jump.
Yeah, I mean, we’re dropping a lot of junk up there, right? On the moon. We should quote the famous Jay Raymond. Space is hard.
Nah, very good. Yeah, very good. Space is hard.
But you never know, somebody might land on the moon and have to go and walk and get the power supply from that moon. Well, it could be useful. Only if it’s mad.
Exactly. Yes, and he’s playing kind of summer music. Let’s see.
The same guy hit the golf ball, Marty, you know, the golf. Now he’s got obstacles. He’s got a play through.
How many Landers we got up there now? Yeah, but they were proud that this thing landed only 400 meters of its intended landing site. So everything was good up until they just can’t finish. They just can’t close the deal.
You know, the first one, their first lander fell over because the strut broke. Oh, I didn’t know that. I didn’t hear that.
But they’re trying to land on the South Pole of the moon. The 62 and a half million dollar mission marked the second by intuitive machines for NASA under the agency’s commercial lunar payload services or CLPS program. So I don’t know what the third one is.
But they’ve obviously got all the tech to get it there. Yeah, they just need the lift and the lift right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They just need to buy some better plastic Landers. I guess that I don’t know what it is. Yeah, I was wondering because it landed on the side of a crater, right? So if they did that, why is there like geographies jacked? Is it that they didn’t see that crater? I’m not sure.
Yeah, I don’t know how much. Yeah, there were four meters. So they were they were where they wanted.
But yeah, I didn’t give a lot of details about like did it land on the hill and then tumbled. I don’t think anything broke this time. It just fell over.
And also don’t forget it was only there to do a 10 day mission because by the time had it landed upright by the time the moon’s phases have changed, it would have run out of power in 10 days anyway. Oh, they lost 10 days of data. They lost 10 days of data and they’ll try again.
Yeah, it’s like the power of Sunny’s airtight. And it knows what’s going on, man. After that, Brown knows it’s hot.
Oh, I see the speculation. She’s on it, man. That’s what I’m talking about.
10 days. 10 days. It was all nice.
Perfect. Day 10. Okay, come on.
I was reading about one of these landers had a lot of the they deploy some of these drones. One of them had like a drone like the size of a lighter or something like that. That would go out and take pictures of itself.
It would crawl all around. It’s the own lander and take pictures of it. And I was like, that’s really bad tech.
It’s really good. How do they power it? Just battery? I don’t know. And think about the software that would be necessary.
Chief, we do have a rule that you don’t scratch the surface on some of these stories. We don’t have all those details. We have a thin veneer of knowledge.
Noted. Bullshit. Nothing goes.
You’re not asking pointed questions. You get in trouble that way. You really do.
You had philosophy at software. I was like, I’m going back to my H. All right. Let’s let’s talk about the spies that they just caught.
I like the spies. I didn’t write this down. I think it’s from task and purpose.
But two soldiers and an army vet were indicted on charges of selling secrets to a Chinese agent. I thought the Chinese were our friends. Of course.
What is that status? They only get 10%. They’re friends, but they’re like frenemies. Like frenemies.
Frenemies. There you go. So listen to this one.
According to federal officials, two active duty soldiers and an army veteran were arrested for conspiring to sell classified materials on army combat vehicles, rocket systems, and military exercises to agents of the Chinese government. I remember when I first got into Sibbers, I was like, oh, it could be secrets. And then the more you realize, it’s like, these aren’t secrets anybody’s going to pay for.
They’re not going to pay for this stuff. Right? Most of it’s declassified anyway. It’s out on the internet.
So it’s not necessarily confirmed or denied, but it was there. Correct. As long as somebody didn’t confirm or deny it, it was okay.
Yeah. I wish somebody would offer me, like, you know, honor. The Ruby.
I’m calling your security manager. You are an insider, pal. You just said that on recording.
What would you do with a room? I’d be like, it’s a room. What do I do? I have no idea. I wouldn’t know.
I think it’s negative 10 cents, isn’t it? The next time I get a phone call, I was like, did you know Marty Smith? Does he trust me? Hold on. Let me play this back. He’s an insider.
He’s an insider. That’s right. He’s an insider.
I wish I could get paid by that. I always wish. How do you own the Lamborghini? With the Ruby.
I got working in Simmons. Never saw it coming. It was a total shock.
It was just so normal. Every day we saw him. He just got happy and stopping envious of Aaron McCirey one day.
You do have due cause to get me arrested. That’s true. That’s true.
Inside the thread. Sergeant John Zhao, Z-H-A-O, and Lieutenant Lee Qian, T-I-A-N, are soldiers based at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, Washington and Rio, I can’t say that guy’s first name, Duan is his last name, is a former U.S. soldier who was active between 2013-2017. All three were arrested this week on charges of handing over classified information to Chinese agents.
But there were two separate incidents. The first incident was with Zhao. Zhao was a battery supply sergeant for the 17th Field Artillery Brigade.
Yeah, I’m a little bummed about the artillery there, but. What could he possibly give to the Chinese? I’m glad you asked. Zhao allegedly received around $15,000 for 20 hard drives that contain secret and top-secret information, a stolen encryption-capable computer.
I don’t know what that is. Documents on the HIMARS, the High Mobility Artillery Rocket System, and information about an Army-Pacific exercise with regional allies. $15,000, that’s not a lot.
Nothing, right? Not to sacrifice your freedom for us. Yeah, yeah. It was just a test of waters.
Yeah, maybe. Here’s the thing though, I bet you that if we think back in any one of the facilities we’ve worked in, there is a cardboard box in the security manager’s office with fucking random hard drives on it. Oh, God, yeah.
That are like three, four years old and they’re just waiting for a certain quantity to DRMO. Before they clean them out, yes. But it wouldn’t be.
Difficult. No. But then again, also to add on your point, Jake, this guy’s an E5.
Do you remember what you made as an E5? Oh, 15 grand? 15 grand would do a lot for you as an E5, right? So he was selling stuff to some middleman and it was the middleman that he asked. He asked the Chinese middleman. He’s like, do you know how risky this is? And the middleman said, if I were your position, I would not dare.
Even the enemy’s telling him not to do it. Right. So based on his name, Marty, is this guy any relation? I mean, does his.
No, I’m talking about. Chinese Asian probably targeted him for that. Last name is other names or Navy.
But because he had a clearance, because he had a clearance, zoomed in on this guy quickly. Now, he was a supply guy for an artillery battalion, so he probably didn’t have anything above secret, but he did have secret. Now we get access to.
Yes, I always said toxic material. Yeah, that means he sold it. In all fairness is, I mean, if you’re, if you are really motivated, you can get it.
You know, you could probably get it, you know. But this other one, this guy was a lieutenant, Lieutenant Tian, who was a health services administrator. He was arrested for allegedly transiting, transmitting sensitive material on Bradley and Stryker fighting vehicles for $500.
He got 500 bucks for that. He’s just a dork. And he was in health services.
How’s he getting stuff? I don’t know. Tian received $1,500 from Duan, the former army guy, for a white paper on commercial real estate investments on the East Coast. $1,500 bucks.
And it seems really crazy sketchy, right? But Duan, the former army guy, he received $38.5 from two PayPal accounts based in China and $14.6 from two Zelle accounts. So he was cleaning up. That guy said, Lieutenant, check this out.
This is how you do it. Let me show you how to do this. You want some real money? Let me tell you.
These guys were charged in Oregon federal court with conspiring to commit bribery and steal government property between November 2021 and December 2024. The DOJ set. So it wasn’t like conspiracy.
I mean, they were conspiring, but it wasn’t. What’s the formal charge? Espionage. It wasn’t espionage.
So and these guys probably will be like, you guys, 1,500 bucks? What are you, stupid? That’s stupid. Come on, Altee. This he finds he’s beating you.
I could find you more for drunk driving on base. And more and more to the point, most of the stuff that he probably probably found was on open source anyway. Absolutely.
You know, it’s like, why are the Chinese paying these guys and they’re risking their career and clearances? Possibly freedom. I think that has to do chief of what Jake was saying. You get that foot in the door, get them started and then say, hey, give me some really good stuff.
Climb and start priming them. In a weird way. I actually respect that Intel reservist out in the East Coast who was putting it out on, not Twitch, but he was putting it out on.
Massachusetts National Guard. Yeah, I have a nephew. I think it was Twitch.
That guy. No, it wasn’t Twitch. It was what’s the other one? Yeah, Discord.
That’s right. But I get his motivation because they were probably dogging him out online. He’s like, oh yeah.
And he wanted to impress him. Look what I do. Exactly.
He wanted to impress him. But the worst part about that kid was his leadership knew he had been violating his clearance and did not. In fact, more of them are going to serve time because they never stopped him.
Yeah, they had a chance to stop him and they didn’t. And oh, you thought your ASFAB score was low. Exactly.
This guy may have beat you. Yeah, he didn’t even work in the intel world. He just had access to safes with scanned copies, stuff on his shirt, come home, upload him onto Discord to impress his friends.
I get that motivation. To be honest with you, I get that. He didn’t get anything for it, except for, you know, Smackdown in that case, like Manning and those other ones.
Yeah. Oh, do you respect him more than 500 bucks? Like their ideals. What they did was wrong.
I get ideals. But a kid trying to bow up electronically to the other gamers. I get that.
Insider threat. Jake, I’m telling you, we could probably get a reward for turning Marty in. More than $500.
I’m going to get a true type award right now. I have a chance once I turn Marty in. Yep.
I had a chance once when I, not that I would have, but I must have had in my, in my career between reserves in Colorado and north of Drummond, probably 65 to 70 interviews with DIS investigators about employees. Do you recommend this individual to hold a clearance? Do you think they are a threat to these, the sovereignty of the United States? Do you think they want to overthrow the government? At any time, I could have said, yes. I would not have gotten a clearance.
I don’t think I would ever put you down. I’m just saying it’s that, but if I could have done that, why, where was all the security protocols for all these other idiots that are getting caught? You know, come on. Right.
All right. Let’s close this out and let’s talk about a story that we probably… What? The only one that I read was he wrote me a list. Oh, I was so excited.
He was like, Marty, wait, no. What do you got for history, Eric? Running right along. All right.
Just last story from military.com, which Ana has read, which is great. We probably should have seen this coming if we’d have thought about it for a second, but the army is losing nearly one quarter of soldiers in the first two years of enlistment. So we’ve all heard how the army’s recruiting is up over the last several months, right before Trump’s election.
And then once Trump elected, you know, they were getting 350 a day. I saw a report, something like that. And I get that.
I get that because believe it or not, with the previous administration and the way the army was going, people were just like, I don’t want to be a part of that. I don’t want to do anything. Let’s go join strengths.
And then Trump does that and Higgs does that. But there are some interesting facts about some of these recruits that are coming up. So that they’re getting.
And one of them was, you know, the army had started that whole like pre-courses. So, you know, they get in shape, get smarter, yeah, that kind of stuff, right? Yeah, and that’s kind of coming back and biting them in the ass. So I’m curious to see what you guys think about this.
The army is grappling with a staggering attrition rate staggering, staggering attrition rate among newly enlisted troops, even as recent recruiting figures suggest the service is clawing its way out of a years-long enlistment crisis. Nearly one quarter of soldiers recruited since 2022 have failed to complete their initial contracts. A fourth.
God, we’re too busy trying to sell secrets for $500. Shit. I can get that on my GTC.
What are you talking about? Yeah, the military’s recruiting challenges are largely centered around finding young Americans eligible to serve. A pool that the Pentagon has estimated at only about 23% of 17 to 24-year-olds. So that’s across the population.
They’re saying in that age range, there’s only about 23% that are suitable for military service. Wow, that’s crazy. What’s that? Because they’re all gamers.
They’re all gamers. All gamers. The Pentagon has estimated that 23% of 17 to 24-year-olds are eligible to serve.
One senior army official with direct knowledge of the service’s recruiting efforts said only about 8% are eligible for a so-called clean enlistment, meaning the recruit didn’t need any waivers or have to attend a prep course. Eight percent. According to service data, roughly 25% of prep course soldiers do not make it through their first contract.
So a quarter are not making it and wash out of the army within the first two years of their enlistment. But even more strikingly, soldiers who do not attempt the prep courses aren’t that much better. They have a 20% attrition rate.
So what is that saying about that population of youth that they’re just… The Republicans have been successful in creating a stupid, stupid society. Number one. Drugs.
Another one. That’s true. Weed.
Right. But they’ve been successful in dumbing down our younger people so they can’t even get… Well, that goes all the way to your education as well. Well, sure.
Yeah, that’s what I was talking about. That’s what I was talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
PE got canceled years and years ago. Oh, yeah, right, right. And I wonder if they’ve really broken down obesity rates with these people, with these youngsters, right? There is some of that, right? Yes, yeah.
The numbers give the first public glance at the prep courses success. Some service officials interviewed by military.com noted the Army is in a difficult position and become nowhere near meeting Manning standards without those courses, right? So they’re lowering standards, but they’re not really lowering standards, but they are bringing people who would otherwise not qualify, try to prep them for six months and then pushing them in, right? But this was interesting. Here are the rates at which soldiers wash out a basic training.
Soldiers who do not attend any prep course are 11%. Academic track prep courses drop at 15%. Fitness track prep courses drop at 16% and soldiers who attended both prep courses, 18%.
So they’re not even making it out of basic. And they got the courses, right? Yeah, so 18% of them drop out. Yes.
It’s almost a quarter that they’re not going to make it through basic, not much less there. They’re in listen. So you shake your head.
Moreover, the Army has more than doubled the number of waivers it grants to new recruits from 8400 waivers in 2022 to 17,000 waivers. Oh, my goodness. What are the waivers are for? Is it for that increase is largely attributed to MHS Genesis.
Remember, we talked to that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, tracking stuff.
Yeah, a new centralized medical record system that gives the military unprecedented access to applicants health histories. Some recruiters say the system is disqualifying applicants over minor injuries or past treatments. Yes, we’ve heard that.
While others know the dramatic rise in teenage medication use and diagnoses for conditions like ADHD or hyperactivity disorder or ADHD. The Army now this is this one. The Army has also loosened restriction on criminal backgrounds.
Last year, the service granted 1045 waivers for misdemeanor offenses. Okay, misdemeanor. That’s up from 895 in 2022.
More strikingly, it approved 401 felony waivers. Whoa. Which quadrupled the 98 granted in 2022.
Oh, my God. Right. We better not go to war.
How creative is that recruiter? But think about it. The commander in chief is himself a felon. So why should it be a problem? A 34 times.
34 time over. It’s a it can’t be a double standard. So why not let the Army? I’m sure they’re not felonies for like gun crime or something.
Oh, yeah. I wonder like violence was off that list. Yeah, I wonder like back in the day, though, when they used to offer it, you can go Army or you can go to jail.
Go to jail. They didn’t process that. They were just like, go, go.
Right. So those would all been misdemeanors or felonies. Adele went to be.
They never got prostate. And they all went to Vietnam. Exactly.
And those were drill instructors. Aniston. Those were drill instructors that could instill some drilling.
To make you frickin I knew a recruiter commander. That and this wasn’t very recent, but recent enough that his he instructed his recruit. He’s enlisted folk.
If a guy didn’t pass a piss test for cannabis, tell him to come back in two weeks. Keep testing them every two weeks until he passes and we’ll bring him in. If you’ve been following our legal, we talked about the agree.
What are you trying to take? I know it’s legal. Sorry, Marty. I’m sorry, Marty.
Go ahead. She’s got a mini man in the driveway. It was very emphatic.
Just for hot boxing. The Navy has a policy now that if you get if you piss hot at boot, they’ll recycle you. Maybe they’ll let you go.
Because in four weeks you’re going to be clean anyway. Well, not if you’re not if you’re smoking in basic and you gotta smoking in basic. Now that’s what I showed up to basic training stone, but I didn’t get access to a while.
I’m going to chill my way through this. Here’s the week was awesome. Here’s the trick.
What the Army’s been doing. The active duty Army counts someone as a new recruit once they ship off to the preparatory course. Not even the basic.
So as soon as they go to the prep courts, they’re like recruitment numbers. So dropouts may not be reflected in data brief to leadership or Congress because they’re like, we got him. We got him for six months, but we got him, you know.
In February, military.com reported on Defense Department Inspector General findings that the service might be skirting its own rules on recruiting, sending applicants to the prep course designed to help them meet body fat standards, even though they were too overweight to even qualify for the prep course. Oh my God. Oh my God.
Geez, Biggie. That’s that’s when the Army recruiter should have waved to the Navy and been like, I got you some ballast, boys. I remember your ballast story.
Yeah, I remember your ballast story. He’s like, hey, show me, show me a salute. He’s like, this is as far as I can get to my big fat arm.
That’s good enough. The Navy loves you, son. Come on over.
I spent two years on the fat boy program on active duty because I was two pounds over the maximum for my height. Whoa. Two years.
They weighed me every two weeks. And you know, they really met at least up until all of us. Maybe it was different, but they never really relaxed using that stupid height weight table from the right.
They never were able to grow beyond that. You know, exactly. All right.
Lastly, the inspector general found about 300 applicants were turned away at the prep course for being too overweight. A figure that would nearly nullify the Army’s recruiting victory last year. Wow, wow, wow.
They’re playing around with the numbers. That says a lot about us as a society man. It’s just like I said, we’re either fat, dumb and stupid.
It’s like, yay, it’s still very good. Come on into the Space Force. We’ll give you great old America and you’ll be good to go.
We’ll give you. Strap a freaking watch and they can’t even take it into closed areas. What’s the point? And you have the triple X band to get around my band extender.
Like in the airplane. Oh, my man extended. It’s a bad time for us, man.
Come on in, specialist one. Yeah, you’re in the fat boy program, so you don’t need that extender anymore. Now you understand why we’ve got such good Coast Guard guys because apparently they’re not fat and they’re saving people.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the only Coasties I ever knew were great people. So yeah.
Oh yeah, those guys are badass. They just brought in like 300 tons of coke in the Florida. Oh, they do.
What they do like every other month. Oh, they’re like, oh, bring me back to my Iceland days. I’m going to Florida next week.
So, you know, I showed up to ALS and stoned out of my court. I could run forever. Smoke that bad boy program.
Go out and wait. Eric, take us home with some history. I got some good history for you tonight, guys.
So I combined this a little bit, so I was looking for a good space history. Oh, I don’t believe that at all. It’s right behind me.
Well, it’s a far. It’s actually a kind of a far reach. So we’re talking about one of our own.
We’re talking about one of our own on March 11th, 1968. One of our own now. Early radar guy.
So in Vietnam, Lima site 85 was established and it was a radar site, right? So it was set up in Laos on the Sier side of Laos. Illegal. And so that’s why the military didn’t run it.
CIA did. But Air Force people occupied it. So on March 11th, 1968, at about 3 a.m., a group of North Vietnamese Commandos attacked a top secret American radar facility on top of the Sier mountainside in Laos.
The station and its personnel, 19 Americans and a few dozen. H M O N G fighters. Homong fighters.
Homongs. Homongs. Homongs.
Yes, we’re not equipped to repel a ground assault and the station was quickly overrun. Nine survivors managed to find a defensible shelter under a rock outcrop on the cliff edge just below the radar station. From there, the only uninjured man, a Chief Master Sergeant Richard Etchberger.
You guys heard about this guy? Oh, I know. I read about him in my senior NCO Academy stuff. That man.
I don’t know how I missed him, but yeah, Chief, Chief Etchberger was able to hold off enemy troops with an M16 rifle while also radioing for help. Etchberger was killed hours later, but not before he helped save eight men and earn the Medal of Honor. Yeah, that’s right.
Yeah, that’s right. Yeah, so that’s pretty cool. And the story goes in, you know, it shows his background, why they established the Lima site.
It started in 66 and it was to track all the movements. That they were coming into Laos. Yeah, yeah, right.
Yeah, yeah. From Laos into Vietnam. So this was a great place to really steal some classified and sell it.
No, wrong story. Sorry. Five hundred pounds.
Five hundred pounds. Maybe better back in that day. Chief Etchberg, you know.
Yeah, good point. So M16 guy, space guy, early space guy, right? Right on. I liked it.
That’s good story. That’s pretty cool. Yeah, that’s a good story.
That’s pretty cool because there’s only still a handful of enlisted Medal of Honor winners out of the Air Force. Right. Pitsenbarger, Etchberger.
And I bet you he’s the only chief that ever did it. Yeah. And it’s the only one I’ve ever heard of this guy.
And when I read the story, I was like, what? How did I miss this guy? You got the guy that was on the C-130 with the flares. You got Pitsenbarger. And you’re right.
Right, right. There’s not that many. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I had heard his name, but I didn’t remember the story until you brought it up. It doesn’t go into great detail of what he did. I mean, he fought him off with M16.
But still a pretty cool story. Well, I know you’re a busy guy. If you only had a little bit more time you probably could have looked the guy up and then read his bio.
But, you know, you got golf. You got golf. As a matter of fact, I’m golfing Thursday morning.
I golfed yesterday. He’s going up the Lafayette. If he technically, I know he was right past me.
I know he’s military. But all those guys were made to sign forms saying they were temporarily relieved of military duty so that they could go in and do that operation. Oh, I wonder.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don’t think so because there’s actual photographs. I’m not saying so.
I’m just bringing up an alternate. They’re in uniform. Potentially stolen valor.
That’s all I’m saying. They were actually in uniform. So there was a few of them banning this radar.
And it was all Air Force. Yeah, that’s pretty. That was a pretty scary story.
Yeah, yeah, that’s really good. Well done, Eric, as always. And it was about a chief.
Yeah, I also did that for her. Yeah, thank you very much. Thank you.
That is a good store to look deeper into. That’s a fun one. Yeah, it is.
Yeah, it made it into the art. It was required training in the senior. Well, it’s like I know it was.
Let’s be honest. A lot of Eric’s and a lot of history is like. But that one is downplayed.
He downplayed that one a lot. Eric, you not. You don’t let me bring in Douglas the camel.
All right. We’ll talk about it. It is.
Oh, my God. Gotta scrape through the bullshit. So let get off.
Of course, of course. Douglas the camel man. Don’t do it.
You happen to know, Eric, that Michelle guesses a lot of your history because she knows it as soon as you start. She’s very good at it. Yeah, in fact, I’ve been married to a historian who is your Civil War episode with General.
Excuse me. What was that? Kelly. Was it? Yeah, my husband’s standing behind me watching it going.
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. That’s all true.
So that’s cool. We’re really big into. We’re big into history.
Big in the history. It was really got a signed autographed book from him. The 12 battles that everybody should know.
Now that I’ve got his name and the title of the book, I’ve got to get that. It’s really cool. It’s pretty cool.
Anna. All right. F. N. Hoffman if you’re the.
Hoffman was lucky. It’s so true. The history.
I know nothing. You guys were talking about the Civil War and I was like. Was that a war where they were nice to each other? All wars are uncivil.
What are they talking about? I know. Like, oh my gosh. I don’t know.
Okay, sorry. That was good. I thought we were going to go long, but I think I think it was perfect.
Chief. Nice addition. We will huddle after this and make our decision and see.
Anna’s on like once a month nowadays. Like drunk or she’s tired she’s out of state and didn’t realize it. I was traveling that day.
And you were traveling for like two weeks in a row. You went out there for a long time. Not to bust.
Yeah, I went out there. Boston. I’m from Massachusetts myself.
Bastion. What part? They’re on the West side. I’m as far away from Boston as you can be and still be in the state.
Virtures. They’re in Mildury. Oh, that’s way out there.
Yeah, that’s way out. Still beautiful. She’s like, I’m from Boston.
Way, way on the other side. I said I was from Massachusetts. I didn’t say I was from Boston.
Yeah, yeah. Hey, what part of Denver are you from? Vail. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. So if there’s going to be a vote here as to whether or not I can come back or, you know.
How will I let you know? How will I let you know? We’ll call you. Don’t call us. But I think that’s a good spot to end up.
What do you think? Oh, yeah. I think that’s a good end. You know what end up is, chief? This will make it.
End up? Yeah. You know what end up is, chief? End up, yeah. End of exercise.
Yeah, this is end up. End up is end of end of the podcast. End of episode.
Episode, okay. I say she can come back now. I had the exercise.
I had that compact. Well, on behalf of all of us here, I’d like to thank you for listening today. Please like, share, subscribe, let us know how we get in the comments and make sure next week that you are not late for changeover.
Incredible thanks for the week. Chief, thanks for coming on. That was a blast.
And thanks to everyone out there watching and listening. And we’ll see you next week. See you at that point, guys.
Good to see you again.